03:34 < fgb_> uriel, "people makes me ill", that is very lame, noone has that power over you
03:35 < fgb_> the right sentence is "I make me ill, and I blame others for my what I've choosed"
03:35 < uriel> fgb_: whatever, I'm certainly not in the mood for rethoric
03:36 < fgb_> it's not rethoric, ask any shrink if you like
03:36 < uriel> fgb_: if you people are totally fucking retarded, and that makes me ill, there is nothing I can do about it, except quit Plan 9, or jump from a bridge, and I won't do either
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03:36 < fgb_> (#acme) ⇐ the right sentence is "I make me ill, and I blame others for my what I've choosed"
03:36 < fgb_> (#acme) ⇐ it's not rethoric, ask any shrink if you like
03:37 < uriel> fgb_: it's a whole philosphical issue of cause-effect, which is actually very simple
03:37 < uriel> so I see no point in wasting time with it
03:37 < fgb_> no it's not, it's a phicological issue
03:37 < uriel> lets see, if what I do offends someone else, it's his fucking problem
03:37 < uriel> _but_ that doesn't make what I'm doing any less retarded
03:38 < fgb_> no, but the problem is that affects you, because you want
03:38 < uriel> fgb_: "want"? bullshit want
03:38 < fgb_> in you inconscient
03:38 < uriel> see, the brain is like any other machine
03:39 < uriel> it has mechanisms, when it get certain inputs, it produces certain outputs
03:39 < fgb_> yes, and every brain is a different machine, but some rules are the same
03:39 < uriel> what I "want" is rather complicated, given that if it was completely my choice I could chose not to give a fuck about Plan 9 and have a much happier life
03:40 < fgb_> it's not about Plan 9, dont you see it?
03:40 < uriel> of course it's not about Plan 9
03:40 < uriel> Plan 9 is just one instance
03:40 < fgb_> no, "something makes me ill"
03:40 < uriel> uhu?
03:40 < fgb_> pay attention the next time you say something like this
03:41 < uriel> fgb_: oh, sorry, I didn't notice that human languages are not a perfect and exact tool for communicating information
03:41 < fgb_> "my boss makes ill", and 100 of examples, it's a learned behavior
03:41 < uriel> it _does make me ill_
03:41 < uriel> "learned behavior" haha, that surely sounds like bullshit
03:42 < fgb_> no, it doesn't
03:42 < uriel> all the psychology "science" is bullshit and a scam worse than the software industry
03:42 < fgb_> but you prefer your cave, where you can blame others
03:42 < uriel> fgb_: I don't blame anyone but myself for my own problems
03:42 < uriel> (and many would say(and do say) I blame myself way more than it's healthy for me)
03:42 < fgb_> just listen to yourself and you'll see
03:43 < uriel> I'll see what? what there is to see?
03:43 < uriel> that I'm fucked up? sure, big deal, does it take a Dr. degree to figure that one out?
03:43 < fgb_> no, it isn't that bad
03:44 < fgb_> in fact is quite simple
03:44 < fgb_> it doesn't take a degree just some life experience and a few phicology books
03:44 < uriel> nothing is simple, unles you are a religious person and can simplify everything into some simplistic belief system
03:45 < fgb_> I don't believe in god, and I know life is quite simple
03:45 < uriel> there are many other religions that don't involve god
03:45 < uriel> "simplistic belief system" is the basis of religion, not god
03:46 < fgb_> religion isn't simple, they have too many rules
03:46 < uriel> and actually, to some degree, everyone does have some sort of simplistic belief system, because it's an indispensable tool to deal with the unmangeable complexities of reality
03:46 < uriel> fgb_: religions are as simple as religious people wants to make them, and they are surely infinitely simpler than reality
03:47 < uriel> (which is the whole point, to avoid, and hide from the complexities of reality)
03:47 < fgb_> no, it's a way to survive, some people put the responsability in god you in others
03:48 < uriel> responsability? responsability is an invention
03:48 < uriel> and as far as I'm concerned, everyone is responsible for their actions, and that is 
03:49 < uriel> it
03:49 < fgb_> it's sad you don't wanna go to shrink, it will really help you, since the problems you have are not too hard to solve
03:51 < fgb_> "and as far as I'm concerned, everyone is responsible for their actions, and that is it, except me, I blame others"
03:52 < uriel> fgb_: you are full of shit, and you are manipulating the context of what I said
03:52 < uriel> but fuck you, I don't care
03:53 < fgb_> uriel, you know I'm not
03:53 < uriel> fgb_: you know you fucking are
03:53 < uriel> fgb_: if you don't fucking understand that languages are not exact tools, _you_ got a serious problem
03:53 < fgb_> uriel, I've studied liguistic too
03:54 < fgb_> linguistics
03:54 < uriel> it shows in how much you love rethoric
03:54 < fgb_> yep
03:54 < fgb_> but that wasn't rethoric
03:54 < uriel> worst total fucking waste of time ever
03:54 < uriel> fgb_: it was rethroic, if you never heard, and can't understand the expression "foo makes me ill" you have a problem
03:54 < fgb_> listen, I just say what I think, and I understand because I've being there
03:55 < fgb_> "foo makes me ill"
03:55 < fgb_> that's a learned behavior to avoid responsability
03:55 < uriel> fgb_: I got many problems, but blaming others for my problems is certainly _not_ one of them
03:56 < fgb_> "foo makes me ill", the same sentence without avoiding responsability is: "I choose to feel ill, because I don't like way foo is"
03:57 < fgb_> but now, I must go painting some room
03:57 < uriel> fgb_: no, that is bullshit, and more rethroic
03:57 < uriel> fgb_: external experiences and perceptions _do_ affect how one feels
03:57 < fgb_> uriel, try to think about what we've talk, I'm just trying to help you
03:58 < fgb_> only if you want
03:58 < uriel> fgb_: I know you are, but you are not listenting, and just repeating the same wrong stuff again and again
03:58 < uriel> "only if you want" my ass!
03:58 < uriel> that is so much bullshit
03:58 < fgb_> yes, if my mother dies, I will choose to feel bad
03:58 < fgb_> it will be my choice
03:59 < uriel> in some cases yes, in other not
03:59 < fgb_> always
03:59 < uriel> fgb_: if all was choice, everyone should be fucking happy and never be sad
03:59 < uriel> (which would be really sad in itself)
03:59 < fgb_> no, sometimes people prefer to be sad
04:00 < uriel> fgb_: well, I will tell you something, I'm _sick_ of being sad, of being depressed, of being tired, and of all the fucking pain
04:01 < uriel> fgb_: and fuck, I'm sick of people like you, that has told me for fucking billions of years that "it's just because I want"
04:01 < fgb_> but is your choice, you should see a shrink
04:01  * uriel sighs..
04:01 < uriel> yea, so it tells me to take some crap drugs, that who knows what will do aside from fucking my brain over even more, 
04:01 < uriel> marvelous
04:02 < fgb_> no, drugs are only for phicotics, you are not one
04:03 < fgb_> and a very _lame_ shrink will give drugs to a guy with problems like yours
04:03 < uriel> fgb_: oh, then what he will do? just tell me "you only suck because you want to suck"
04:03 < uriel> most helpful
04:03 < fgb_> he will let you see the things you want and dont want to see
04:03 < uriel> fgb_: well, got news for you: most people in this fucking planet are morons, and the average doctor is no better than the average programmer
04:04 < fgb_> it doesn't need to be a genius to drive a taxi, neither to be a shrink
04:05 < fgb_> the difference is that he/she has a different perspective, because he/she is not you
04:05 < fgb_> ok, I'm off to paint
04:05 < uriel> hey, it's only dealing with your brain, and the brain is so fucking simple, even a monkey would understand it!
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04:05 < fgb_> yes, brains are too simple
04:06 < uriel> fgb_: ok, thanks for proving you _really_ have no clue what you are talking about
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04:06 < uriel> fgb_: go buy yourself a neurology book and come back
04:06 < fgb_> do you really think I have no clue?
04:06 < uriel> fgb_: anyone that says "brains are too simple" clearly has no fucking clue whatsoever
04:06 < fgb_> I'm talking about phicology not about neurology
04:07 < fgb_> s/brain/mind/
04:07 < fgb_> are you happy now?
04:07 < uriel> fgb_: because if they are so simple, maybe you should write it all down and earn yourself a nobel price and enter the books of history
04:07 < fgb_> yes I should
04:07 < uriel> fgb_: ah, and where the fuck does the "mind"(whatever that is! talk about religion...) come from?
04:08 < fgb_> mind/personality/whatever they exist
04:08 < uriel> I didn't say that it didn't exist, I asked _what_ it is, and where the hell it comes from?
04:09 < uriel> if you you have meta-phisical beliefs, that is not my problem, I certainly will not count on them, and sure as hell hope nor will any shrink
04:09 < fgb_> now, I should go. tomorrow I tell you the meaning of life
04:10 < uriel> oh, thanks! I'll write a book about it and get rich then..
04:10 < fgb_> ;P
04:10 < uriel> oh, wait, there are millions of books about it already.. and they are all bullshit
04:11  * uriel sighs
04:11 < uriel> and we need to figure out a sane interface to pass url's to webfs...
04:11 < fgb_> "something is bullshit", becarefull with projections
04:12 < uriel> the best I can come up with is /mnt/web/N/url
04:12 < fgb_> print("url http://www.url.com\n");
04:12 < fgb_> '\n' is a good delimiter
04:12 < uriel> fgb_: it breaks completely the current interface
04:13 < uriel> fgb_: if you are in the mood of rewriting all that, fine, but I'm not
04:13 < fgb_> make a new interface
04:13 < uriel> fgb_: also that makes the whole thing much more complex, as you have to plaster different Twrites together for all ctl messages, even if it doesn't make sense to do so
04:14 < fgb_> check how other fs deal with this
04:16 < fgb_> ok, now I'm gone
04:16 < fgb_> have fun